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How to Overcome Fear in Fitness & Life

By January 6, 2020 No Comments

Shanti Lowry is a Hollywood actress and is known for her work on The Game, and her award-winning role on Bronx SIU. She is also known as a dancer for Earth Wind and Fire, N*Sync, P-Diddy as well. We discuss how fear is a liar and that it ruins things if we let it in life, traveling, and Fitness or CrossFit.

Drew
All right. Welcome back to the pendulum podcast. I am your host, Drew Girton, And I am joined today by the world-famous Shanti Lowry.

Shanti
Hi. Hi. How are you?

Drew
I’m doing great. Thanks for being on the show.

Shanti
Thank you very much for the lovely intro. Appreciate it. You’re welcome.

Shanti
you know, it’s funny. We’re friends too. So it’s weird to hear you, like, introduce me as something, it’s just, you know, we’re just friends.

Drew
It’s cool. So you’re gonna get a chance to hear two friends chat today? Um, a lot of people know you, um, but they don’t know you as who other people know you. As if that makes any sense.

Shanti
I don’t know if it made sense to people, but I know what you’re saying. Yes. So, yeah, some people know me at the gym is just, You know, Schu’s wife, which is my husband is Anthony Schubert. And I’m just the girl who tags along with him sometimes. And ah, then other people know me as an actress or a singer or is a dancer, and they don’t know anything about me personally or my private life. And so it’s It’s a really strange line. Yeah.

Drew
Yeah. So that’s, um, today, what I want to do is I want to get to know, um I want to get view a chance, toe. Let her members and our audience know you as what the world knows you as because I don’t think that they know.

Shanti
Yeah, I guess not. It’s funny. I think you guys know me more and more like the rial Shaun t. But I guess you don’t know what I do, what my career is, which is a strange thing to, you know, talk about, I guess, at a gym. But I’m an actress, and I started as a dancer. I graduated early from high school, and so I moved to L. A. When I was just 16 and I immediately went on tour with Earth, Wind, and Fire, which makes me sound so old. But they’ve been touring forever and they’re still touring right now.

Drew
That’s the fare like,

Shanti
yes, they really have. And yeah, I was just a teenager touring Gosh, the world. We started in Amsterdam and we spent three months in Tokyo touring all over Japan, but, like stayed in Tokyo and honestly, I was too young to be doing that. It was pretty miserable. Um, and I came back home and realized I really just wanted to be an actress and really focus on that. And, um, I still danced for a while. I danced with Nsync. A lot of people know me as an NSync dancer or as a P. Diddy dancer. Um, and finally I booked a role on a TV show called The Game, which was sort of like the big moment cause people still recognize me from it. It aired for nine seasons. It was beautifully done show it was drama, but comedy. It had beautiful brown faces in front of the camera behind the camera. It was such a great experience for me to get to see um and so most people know me from that as the bitchy image consultant from the game. And so a lot of my fans are kind of afraid of me, and they think that I mean, just not fun,

Drew
not the case, even in the slightest.

Shanti
I know people are always surprised that I’m like, Yes, you could take a picture. You can say hi. I’m not mean. Um, so then from the game, I just You know, I ended up doing a lot of different TV and movies, and it was the career that I always wanted to get Thio, Um and so dancing and singing kind of went on the back burner in that, you know, it was sort of just something in my bag that I could do as an actress. I can also sing, and I can also dance. And I’ve been really fortunate. Like truly, the entertainment business is very hard, and it’s very hard for a woman. It’s very hard for a woman of color. Um, and I am very honored that I can say I have been in this industry for two decades, working and doing, like, real stuff that I’m very proud of, a lot of great shows, a lot of great movies, and then, most recently, I created my own TV show

Drew
A little bit about that.

Shanti
Well, it kind of its very much what we were talking about. I’m a singer and a dancer. I’m an actress, and I’ve really only got into show Showcase that in small roles. And so I created a dance sitcom that is a little dramatic. It’s a little bit funny, and it’s got a lot of great music and a lot of great dance in every episode. It’s just kind of putting together all the things that I love, and after three years of working my butt off, I got it made and I am a showrunner and I created this great show. It’s called Stuck Together so soon, probably at the beginning of 2020. You’ll get to see that Awesome. Yeah.

Drew
Cool. I wanted a circle back. Do it. And what would your now tenured self tell your 17-year-old self?

Shanti
Oh, God. The easiest advice, man, I would tell. Okay, so when I got to Japan, people who tour now know that this is the way that it is. But I was only 17 and when you get there, they don’t tell you your itinerary and all these other things. They just say you’ve got a show. Tomorrow at six o’clock, we’ll pick you up at this time and then they leave you there. And as a 17-year-old, I was like, I don’t speak the language. I don’t know where I am. I’m just gonna stay in my hotel room in order room service and I’ll be at the show now when I travel, the first thing that I do is just leave my stuff in the hotel and just start walking and just seeing people in saying hello. And you get a bus schedule or you get a, you know, subway schedule, and you just go for it. I just wasn’t prepared, and I was scared, and I would tell myself to just not be scared. Just take every opportunity eyes open and go for it. Yeah. Yeah.

Drew
So that is, um because you and Schu, Anthony, you know, and that was… just for the record, I have made a pledge that when I talk to you, I refer to him as Anthony, uh, because the rest of us, whenever we see him, it’s Schu. So, so

Shanti
Weird. Like, that’s not even a name. It’s a thing you wear on your foot. No, I get It

Drew
So it is important that, uh, but that’s what I know about you and Anthony is that you guys love the travel, love it. And you guys love to go and do that. And what I know about you in your travels is because you’ve coordinated that for me is that it is very much a large part of who you are now. But I think that a 17-year-old kid like my goodness, I couldn’t even imagine, like, some of the fear rights of just being able to go out like, uh,

Shanti
irrational, You know what I mean? It really is an irrational fear. It wasn’t sitting in my hotel room thinking if I walk outside and ask someone Hey, can you tell me how to get to the Osaka Castle? They’re gonna be, like, Get away from me, American. Don’t talk to me like what’s the worst that’s gonna happen. They’ll give you a nasty look and walk away. Right? So what is the fear? I really don’t know what it is. It’s totally irrational. But we all kind of just sink into that. Like, this is what we’re used to. This is what we do, and it’s I hate that. And Anthony and I really try and shake each other out of that all the time and say, Why aren’t you doing that? What are you afraid of? What’s the worst that’s gonna happen? Really? Right. Yeah.

Drew
I, uh, went to New York with Anthony last February for my birthday. Um, and I have never been in New York before, and, uh, Shanti actually ended up finding the Airbnb, but she came to me. She goes All right. So what do you want? Inner Airbnb like, What do you want in your states? So I listed out what it was, and then she found it, and it was an amazingly priced gig, and it was in Brooklyn, and there was, like, this little pizza joint just down the street from us And was this awesome experience that I am not somebody that goes in travels. Well, but having Anthony with me, I was able to go and travel well, because he’s like, we gotta go here. We gotta go do this. And he knew his way around. Um because in those moments, I find that stuff very stressful.

Shanti
And it’s an irrational fear and stress. And you just got to tell yourself that because just say, like, you’re sitting in your hotel room. If you didn’t have Anthony there, you’re just gonna sit there and not do anything? Well, what? Why not just walk outside? And why not walk down to the front desk and ask the front desk person? Hey, you know, I’ve got two hours. I don’t have a card. Where should I go? There’s a chance that they look at you and they’re an idiot, and they’re like, Who? I don’t know, but there’s a chance that they say something awesome and, um, Anthony and I’ve just been doing this for a lot of years. And so we’re not scared of these things anymore. But, you know, a lot of people still are and silly. Don’t be.

Drew
But I also think as with anything, it’s reps. Yes, and it’s practice. And you guys have had a lot of reps in practice at it.

Shanti
yeah, um, we encourage each other to Like I said, when I’m being scared, he’ll ask me why and I do the same. You know, we keep each other in check with that.

Drew
Absolutely. And, um so back to the 17-year-old self and that it was miserable. Like what did you realize about that? That was just like, I don’t like this.

Shanti
Oh, gosh. We were just talking about how I could be totally honest on this podcast. I don’t know if I can. At this moment, I had some issues with the band and I don’t like t share those two. Well,

Drew
you don’t like it. Here’s the thing. I am not a person. I’m not pulling that out, but I just want I want people to know your story. Yeah, that because I think that and it doesn’t have to include the band, but it can include like this is what I really overarching what I realized about myself here.

Shanti
Well, and the thing isn’t as I’m seeing her thinking about not saying it, I’m wondering who I’m trying to protect because that’s silly. That’s actually not I should just be honest about it. So I was 17 and these guys have been touring for 30 years already like they just never stopped touring. They love to tour. It’s their culture. That’s what they do, um, and unfortunately, tour culture. It’s changing some, I think, but it’s also just gosh, it’s just a really ingrained thing in the touring culture. It’s there’s a lot of misogyny, and there’s just a lot of sexual harassment that they don’t even realize it’s harassment. If that makes sense, like, I really think that some of these men would be shocked to hear the things that come out of my mouth. And then if they spook, if they stepped back, they would go, Oh my God, yeah, that’s total harassment. We did that. I don’t know why we did that. It was things that they thought were jokes like they called me the candy of the tour because I was young and sweet, and I did not understand that. I just didn’t get the reference. So they would then get the hotel people to let them into my room, and they would take out all of my panties and bras and hang them around my room. And then they would put candy all over my bed, and the first time I was trying to find the joke in it. I was like, Oh, that they’re trying to include me and I feel very violated. But I guess this is kind of a joke, right? And I think, had I at that moment immediately said Absolutely not. I need to know who did this. And I need to know that it will never happen again. And I’m gonna file a complaint with the tour manager. Nobody needs to be in my room. Nobody needs touching my undergarments, period. It would have stopped, but instead, I and I’m not blaming myself. Oh, my gosh, I’m not blaming myself. I’m simply saying, looking back, this is why I didn’t enjoy it. I didn’t stand up for myself, and I didn’t tell them that these things were bothering me. and it got worse. They would take the curtains to my dressing room right before we would start shooting right before the show would start. And therefore I’d have to change, like, huddled in a corner, trying for people not to see me. And again, I should have just said, Ok, well, I won’t be doing the show until someone finds my curtains. So all in all, it was me being too young to be on tour and not ready to stand up for myself. I would even send my daughter or myself back out on tour if I was ready to stand up for myself because I don’t think anything really bad would have happened had I been able to. But I also don’t think you should have to know how to stand up for yourself that well. But

Drew
I think that when you take that into perspective, you look at where we are getting as a culture and where we’re what we’re teaching. Um, What? We’re teaching people now, like what is Okay, what is not okay, Right? Right. Um, I think we’re becoming more aware of that. I mean, like you look at all the other things that air in Hollywood, right? Or in the music industry or whatever it is that’s coming out now that was that happened in the eighties or the seventies, and it was just like it was like stuff that was just pulled over, you know, swept underneath the rug, and it’s like we’re not gonna talk about
Shanti
it. It’s just business as usual. Like a lot of Hollywood, the sexual harassment that happens is so ingrained that it feels like business as usual. Someone asked me, and it, like, floored me about Have you ever been harassed on a job? And the reason it floored me is gonna upset you guys so much. The fact is, I couldn’t think of a job I haven’t been harassed on right, and I’m not. I’m not lying to you. Look on my freaking resume. I’ve worked more than 100 jobs, and I cannot think of a single job that I felt that I was being protected and taken care of as a woman, and if somebody crossed that line that they would that was not acceptable, every job like Oh my gosh, there were all of The executives were sitting around watching us rehearse this scene, and we were actually also filming the rehearsal. And so I’m on Cameron, the only person on camera, and I’m being sexually harassed by the person whose opposite me constantly saying the dirtiest things you could imagine with the entire cast standing around and all they did was roll their eyes.

Shanti
Oh, my gosh, this guy and he was telling me stuff like, Sit on my face. I can’t wait. Oh, come on over here. I’m ready for you. I’m up like, not even kidding. And here I am trying to. I’m the only one on camera trying to deliver my lines, and he’s not saying his lines. He’s harassing me Instead, nobody said anything because that was such business as usual. People do that all the time. Two women in this industry

Drew
Hence, all the stuff coming out last year.

Shanti
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And the thing is, I am so frustrated because there are two categories here. There’s that kind of harassment, which is wrong, and it’s disgusting. But more than anything, it was the executives that somebody needed to pull him aside and say, Hey, you’re not behaving like a professional. Stop it. And then there’s the abuse that is physical and that it is like, you know, there actually crossing a physical line. There’s a really big difference. And I just think people need to see both sides, that there are two different answers here, too. There’s the answer that we need to talk about it more. And that man who was sitting across from me maybe doesn’t need to be fired. He needs to be talked to, and people need to understand that you did. What you thought was a joke was actually sexual harassment. It was really offensive to me. Please don’t do that again. And then there are people like Harvey Weinstein who know that locking a woman in a room and raping her is not acceptable, Right? So there are these two schools. I think we need to be having both conversations.

Drew
It is what’s really frustrating is especially as a dad to a little girl, right, like it’s that’s that is the turn of, um, perspective right for me, because the one I just wasn’t that guy, right? Do you know what I mean? You had to be like that, That is, But I don’t put it past others to do that, that sort of thing. And then, um I talked with my wife, and she’s like, Oh, yeah, it’s just, you know, Ah, Unfortunately, it’s par for the course with certain things right, and it’s like it’s not an It’s not something that we just go. Okay, we got no power over that. We have nothing that we can do. But it’s really important that that, um as leaders, right that we create a space for our people. Right? So that’s the stuff that I’m talking to the execs about what the producers air the director, that this is If this is my set, that is not okay, thank you know what happens
Shanti
all

Drew
right. And no. So just, you know, like from the jump, I’m not going to tolerate that. And it’s not like, Hey, I need to teach you like No, as a grown man like you should know that there’s just

Shanti
there’s a line.

Drew
I’m sorry, bro. This is not your bedroom. There’s This is a professional work environment, right? So and that is it’s sad right to think of that, but it’s also like as leaders we’ve seen that across multiple. Um, it’s not just in film or the music business, but it’s also in athletics, like Michigan State.

Shanti
Oh, yeah,

Drew
with the doctor with all the gymnastic female athletes,

Shanti
right? Really?

Drew
Like And just like the upper-level presidents. And, you know, uh, athletic directors and all that stuff that was known about it and just blind. I know. Okay, it’s that’s going away or whatever that looks like. And that’s the shame in all of that that that comes on to leadership and that, Yeah, that is, uh and then I go, How in the world do some of these people get into this leadership role? That’s it’s something that I take like very seriously, right with my own staff, with how and with leading a place like PENDULUM, it’s something that I don’t take lightly, right, so that it’s like I want to put forth the best possible product for our people and for our staff. And that starts with me as a leader. Like I go, you’re wasting it. You’re literally wasting it to make a much larger impact, right? And so, um,

Shanti
it’s very interesting. Just It’s sad to me that more executives don’t see it the way that you see it, but I think the real problem is that they don’t see it as a problem. Even some of the things that I’m saying, like, for instance, had I complained about that at the moment where this actor was saying those things to me, I would have looked like the problem. People would have talked about Shaun t being a difficult actress, and she’s one of those me two girls, you know. And the truth is, every single person on set new that was inappropriate. They were all rolling their eyes and making the gross-out faces. And then on top of that, it’s not professional, because as an actor, you’re supposed to be acting opposite me to give me something to act off. So at all levels, it was wrong, and the executives were, too, And were you allowed to cuss?

Drew
Yeah, I just

Shanti
I won’t. They were just chickens. You know what? They were being chickens and they didn’t want to say anything because they don’t want to rock the boat because it was a really big actor who was doing it Oh, my God. And the worst thing, Drew, I am constantly act Asked what it’s like to work with him. I’m not gonna say it here, but they’re always like, Oh, we saw that you did scenes with so and so how was it? Is it great? And I’m like, wow, I and it’s so weird because I don’t know what to say, because I never reported it, even though I don’t need to. I mean, everybody saw it nonstop every single day. Um, and I also never said to him, Stop it. I am not appreciative of what you’re doing. I would say that’s not true. I said, stop in things like that, but I never said Overall, you’re harassing me and I need this to stop. And so it feels a little disingenuous to then go on an interview and talk crap about this guy when I didn’t say anything, to begin with. So I just think there’s a lot of There are a lot of issues in our industry that we just need to be talking about, and we’re not dealing with it correctly right now.
Drew
And, um, for me once again that leadership then trickles down into culture, right? And then I can only imagine right that if you get that part right that your staff and your actors and actresses and the supporting roles around that you create a family. You create a culture of people that are like I’m working for you. Whenever you have a job. I want to be on that team. I don’t care at what role, what capacity I’m working with you because there’s nothing like being on set doing 16 hour days with these people.

Drew
To me, like the culture is everything all right? And it’s the same thing that kind of goes, Well, it isn’t kind of it is the thing that makes this place special, right? Is that you go? Hey, look, that person is struggling in that workout and you’re done. You’re cheering for them? Yes, right. Oh, you’re new here. You come in and it’s like, Oh, that is we go on, we say, How do you make you feel special? And that is important that that comes down from me, the coaches down through our members so that it is 100% about what makes the place special. Absolutely so.

Shanti
And you really do a good job of that here truly? Because I only ever got into CrossFit Not because of CrossFit, but because of PENDULUM. And, um, that is I, My husband, Anthony the “SCHU” um he, uh he went to a different CrossFit gym here in Pasadena for a while, and he was really into it. He was looking for something in his life toe workout. He’s always, like, really enjoyed different workout programs. But he never really stuck with any one thing. And so he found CrossFit and he was going all the time. And so I was like, I want to check this out. I want to be a part of it. And I went, I think just to watch it. Or I went to like a dinner or cocktails with the people that he was working out with, and I was miserable. They just did she They were just not the kind of people that I’d want to be around, ever let alone all the time. And so I never got into his CrossFit gym. And then when he started to feel the same way Finally, he switched a pendulum and even he changed, like going to work out and then coming home. It was always just like I went to the gym and moving on. Then when he would come to PENDULUM and come home, it was just like this brighter attitude and you wanted to talk about it and you wanted to tell me what he had learned. And so then, you know, I was like, I’ll try it at this place and it’s so different And it’s all about the culture because the other Jim I know does very great CrossFit classes. It’s the exact same thing, but the people and the coaches and the owner is totally different.

Drew
And that’s thank you. I, um I remember him being like, so Shanti actually wants to give it a try. And this is a big deal because she likes watching it on the games, watching the CrossFit games and like from the sports side. But she never wanted to try it. So we wanted somebody who does an amazing job with making people feel loved and, uh, coached and appreciated. Uh, we set you up with a Cab, All right?

Shanti
Yeah, and the best one on one. I had so much fun,

Drew
it was, And so it just ended up going through that. And then your mom and…

Shanti
my mom’s husband, they started doing it. They’re both very sick and have a lot of issues, and it was hard for them. I think that is sort of Oh, that’s the dirty little thing that nobody wants to talk about with. CrossFit. People think it’s hard. They think it’s too hard, and you know what? It probably is. If you’re watching this and you don’t do CrossFit, it’s probably too hard for you with that level of perfection that you’re thinking. But you don’t have to be perfect. You have to be okay coming into anything in life and not being that great at it and just giving it a try, and you’d be shocked at how many things in your life will grow. Just so many people, like we said earlier, are afraid. They’re afraid of things. And so my mom and her husband, Jim, they were very afraid because they heard they’ve never worked out in their lives really they’re older. They’re both 70 and have any issues and diabetes and heart issues. And they were afraid it was gonna be too hard. But as all of us crossfitters know, you scale it, you scale it to the place that’s comfortable for you, and then you also scale it to a place, not just the weight. But you scale your energy and your output to a place that you can continue to do it over and over. And, um, so people who try CrossFit once or have seen it or have heard of it are afraid of it. They generally think it’s gonna be too hard. And I think the problem is it is because your mentality is that you want to get in there. You would be perfect and just what you’re not gonna be.

Drew
Yes, and that is that’s what comes down to Ah, a lot of things. Is your mindset right? I mean, having a fixed mindset versus a growth mindset? Yeah. The fixed mindset would say, It’s too hard for me. It’s too intense. There. You find all of the excuses on this side. The growth mindset says you know what that looks really intense. I’ll try it.

Shanti
Give it a shot.

Drew
Why not like what you know? And the hardest part about CrossFit is that it is a mirror gets turned around and shows you all of the things that you don’t like about yourself. Interesting, because the thing is is that if you are, let’s just say like, Wow, I got I went to that dark place in that workout, right? Like, and that it’s like I was breathing heavy and then all of the languages inside of your head, right? The stories that you write pop up while you’re in that place and you have to face those demons, all right? And it’s you either concave to the demon, right and stop. Put your hands under knees and you’re just sucking in air and your strike, or it’s like

Shanti
it’s a discipline, really. I think it takes discipline, and I think that is what’s interesting is some people come into CrossFit and assume I’ve worked out. I’ve done yoga. I’ve been to the gym five times in my life, so I should be good at this. But it’s a discipline, and you have to learn it like any other thing. There’s a foundational level, and then there’s the strength grow building. And then now you’ve got new techniques that you can learn, and then as you go, you’re getting better and better. And veteran, some people come in assuming that they want to be fluent or perfect in this new discipline immediately, or it’s not worth it to them, it’s too hard. Um, I actually am the opposite. I love things that are really hard and impossible, even because it’s like, all right, one step at a time teaching. As long as there’s a plan and here at Pendulum it feels like there’s a plan. So sorry backing up. You said exactly the right thing about why I chose to come to CrossFit was because I was watching it so much. And, um, I actually went on vacation with Anthony and on the vacation, we went in every country in Europe pause, Um, anyway, in every country in Europe, we tried to go to that country’s CrossFit gym and the very first country that we went to, Iceland. We went to Anne Thorisdottirs gym, and if you’ve been or if you’re thinking about going yes is the answer. It’s amazing. She built the most incredible Jim. It’s beautiful. It’s flawless. It’s very Icelandic. I can’t really explain it. You just have to go see it. Um, but there’s this room where you can sit and watch, but there’s, like, full glass from ceiling to the floor. So you really feel like you’re in there? And unfortunately, I wasn’t allowed to take a class because I’m not in CrossFit and Anthony’s in there working out with Annie, working out with all of these cool Icelandic people crushing it. Yeah, it wasn’t even about that. I just felt left out. You know what I mean? I felt like we went to the amusement park, and I was too short to get on all the rides. And so I just sat there and I watched, and I was like, never again. And he actually came up and gave me a hug. And as I was hugging her was just like a stone statue. I was like, All right, all right, I’m gonna do it. So I did. I came back and jumped right into it, but I had a goal of doing a pull-up. Just one by some point, I didn’t really even know when. And it really mattered to me that pendulum number one asked to your goal and then also helped you have a game plan to get there. So while it was seemingly impossible for these little twig arms to do a pull-up, it was like, Don’t even think about it. Just do this. Do this. Do this. Okay? Come back the next day and do this. This and this. Okay, Come back the next day. And then, sure enough, I got my three months You’ve been doing CrossFit for three months today. Email. And when I went into work out that night, Anthony said, Babe, why don’t you try some pull-ups and it four pull-ups my first time.

Drew
Easy peasy.

Shanti
CrossFit Pendulum.

Shanti
I mean, let’s not get crazy. They were like baby pull-ups, but they were there

Drew
Before, before pull-ups, after having no pull-ups. Still a massive accomplishment.

Shanti
And it’s because of just the routine and just sticking to it. And you know,

Drew
So you being in dance for as long as you have been.

Shanti
Yeah,

Drew
and you’re an amazing dancer like to watch you dance is like, uh alright? So that’s, um it’s really she’s really incredible And, um, that you talk about discipline, right? I like to call it a movement practice or it could be a movement discipline. We could call it the same. Um, and I think that that is the number one thing that if people concert to shift right, that it’s not just exercise, right? Like, yes, exercise is a part of the thing that we do here, and it does help improve people’s health. Wellness and my body saw all of that stuff. But the practice side of it is what allows for you to get better right in that movement, that which then allows for you to gain more fitness that allows for you to be healthier. And, um, that is the… It’s that’s part of what makes CrossFit such a positive experience, right? And one of the large things that we did here is that we change the name the Ford facing name of, you know, across the pendulum to pendulum fitness because I wanted people to not get stuck with seeing that name and going through the fear. I don’t like that. Like, just give us a shot. Give us a chance. It’s like me going to New York by myself,
Shanti
All right? Yeah.
Drew
And saying, Ah,
Shanti
I’m gonna try.
Drew
I’m gonna try. I’m gonna go out. I’m gonna see the city and, um yeah, I’m going to New York again. Hey, um, in January, actually, so cold.  
Shanti
Why do you keep going in the winter? Three times? What’s wrong? 
Drew
We’re going to a workshop. So it’s, uh But I mean, I’m originally from the cold, so it’s kind of fun that I get some cool.
Shanti
Me too. But I know so
Drew
But this time around, like it’s, um I think that, like that may be the thing that I take the most away from our conversation is stepping out into that fear in the same way that, like for travel, right, um as what other people here need to step outside of their own discomfort and fear of fitness, and then also for those that air in trap situations, where they feel that they can’t speak up, that they can speak up that they need to step out of that fear, and I think that that’s been a resounding thing. And our, Yeah, this podcast today is that it’s like fear is a liar.

Shanti
It is a liar because if you don’t have someone to ask you this, get somebody or learn to ask yourself. But ask yourself why, why you’re not doing something? And if the answer is you’re afraid, then say, truly, what is the worst that is gonna happen? And if it is an egotistical thing where you’re worried about like you’ll feel bad or you’ll be embarrassed, I think you got to get over yourself because you’re holding yourself back and it’s silly. Most people like the truth is, and CrossFit people are not watching you, so you don’t need to be concerned about that. Nobody’s like judging how heavy your lifting or how many reps you’ve done. They’re there for themselves. And so get that out of your head. And then the fear of like what if I’m not good enough? What if I’m you know what? If I can’t do it well, like, what’s the worst? It’s gonna happen. You’re gonna have tried and you’ll be a little bit stronger. I remember I failed on an on a lift, but I failed at the bottom, which means that I, you know, controlled that wait for all the way to the bottom. And then I failed. And I still didn’t look at that as a total failure because I got half of that rep and half of that rabbit is gonna make me that much stronger.

Drew
Right? That’s it. So fail. Get stronger.

Shanti
Yeah. Failure in my life, guys

Drew
get stronger. Stronger. So yeah, it’s Yeah, that’s that is the That’s great. I love that. That, um all you have to do is step out. Try Malcolm Gladwell. Um, famous author, right? He talks about ship it. Right. So ship it, ship it. So instead of trying to, like, make it perfect all the time, right? And like doing all these little things, just get it out there. Just go. Just do the thing. Like, start, stay in motion. Live life in motion. Like that’s what we try to say here and do here. Because if you start in motion, you stay in motion, and that is so imperative Of what, like a pendulum does.

Shanti
What’s it starts,

Drew
it stays in motion, right? So, yes, it could swing to the other opposite end of that spectrum, but

Shanti
it’s always gonna go back,
Drew
but it’s still gonna be moving. And that’s even if that means that you had a stomach is hungry, we’ll race. Uh, but if you have a thing where you’re like, I had a really bad weekend or I’ve been eating poorly like, yes, you may have moved in another direction. You’re still moving, right? Um, you can make a decision to change and head back in the other direction so you can still be moving. But it’s those people that are stuck that are in fear that are not doing anything. You’re in a worse position than doing so. Just do something.
Shanti
I think a lot of people get stuck in a position of feeling as if they can’t do it all, then they can’t do it at all. As you said, we’re just doing something really good. And I remember so Barack Obama had a bunch of really inspirational and aspirational young people in his Cabinet and surrounding him when he first got into the presidency and they were having a really hard time accepting that they couldn’t get all these things that they wanted to be done. You know, like we’re finally here. We’re gonna get this. This is this And he had to stop and say, Guys, we all need to remember that better is good. It doesn’t have to be perfect. Are you making it better? You making a better choice? Are you getting better? Did you try a little harder than that’s good? That is something we all get stuck with. If we can’t have it all if we aren’t the best. If we didn’t do it, R X, if we didn’t do enough, then it’s not enough. But just being a little bit better is okay. 1% better a lot
Drew
Of people work with, like, I would of 1% better at the end of a year.
Shanti
Yeah, we’re doing 365
Drew
percent better than where you were. And that is a massive improvement. Right. I was just talking to Chris about this today after we dropped the kids off from school. Is that looking at where PENDULUM was coming up on six years ago and looking? And I had been flipping through Instagram or scrolling through Instagram. It seemed like old pictures and getting sentimental and looking back at all those things and going like, Oh, my goodness, look at how far we have come and
Shanti
doubled the size right now,
Drew
you know, and just the impact that we’ve made in our community the lives that we’ve helped change the people that have entrusted us to, you know, to do that. And then you look at the people that are still here, right Like that, like it’s special that people have trusted us to do what we do. But then I look back at the people that are still here, like, two years, three years, four years, five,

Shanti
Six years, six years.
Drew
I mean, like, it is like, to me, that is really, really ah, just humbling. And it’s really special because it’s not. I don’t take it lightly, you know what I mean? Um, and it is for people to trust us at that level is really special, because I know and how, uh I guess you could say whimsical, right? That I would just like, uh, try that over there, right? Like, drop you know, uh, okay, did enough time. But the amount of commitment and consistency that these people including yourself because you’ve been here for over two years now,
Shanti
Is it only to I thought it was maybe three?
Drew
You’ve been over, Uh, we’re
Shanti
Coming up on coming up on three. I’m really bad at times.
Drew
So you’re coming up on three, Okay. And, um, that is that’s the really powerful thing is just seeing, like, these people trust us so that they don’t They’re not consumers like me, You know what I mean? And that is, like, really, really powerful about what is larger than me, right? That it is more about the brand and the people and the coaches that we’ve cultivated and created here and, uh, has allowed for people like you, Right? Who didn’t want to do CrossFit right? Have come in, trusted us, right? And ah, and your family has been, like, brought up through here and, you know, like, and the fact that you get to share this now with your husband. What used to be like a separate thing? Yeah. It is now as a thing of that. You guys, come on, work out together.
Shanti
It’s so suffered together to talk about it afterward. We’re like that annoying couple who’s like, Oh, my God. How are your thrusters? Oh, yeah. What did you do? Did you breathe at the top of the bottom? Like you know what I mean, It unites us in a really awesome way. Um, and I really do think CrossFit has changed my dance career, too. I’m a stronger dancer than I was as a dancer. What’s interesting is I never saw the, um the positive effect that working out could do because as a dancer, you never work out at least the way that I was trained. I was trained as a ballerina and, you know, jazz and tap and hip hop. A gym was not part of it. You do everything in dance class, and it’s all body. Um, weight kind of stuff. You do push-ups and hold lunges are planks, but we don’t do anything that builds muscle. And I think a lot of that is because on stage were supposed to look long and lean and so building muscles not gonna fit in with that. Right? But that’s not true. because the muscles that I’ve built in CrossFit are long and lean and because I still dance as well. I still get that same, but they’re stronger and I’m able to hold things longer, and I’m able to control things more. And the interesting thing is, dancers, my friends, are still so afraid of CrossFit because they still have this idea of it. They’ll get really big traps and they’ll get really they won’t look feminine. And that’s not to say that that’s what they think. Cross-fitters look like they’re just afraid of that because as dancers, that’s what we’ve always been afraid of is looking masculine and not feminine. And I just think it’s wrong. A lot of people have a lot of bad ideas about what CrossFit will or won’t do to your body, and the truth is that’s about you and how you do CrossFit and what you lift and what you eat. Um, you know, there are times I will say there are times when I am about to go into a red carpet or something. I won’t lift heavy on something that’s gonna do arms and traps and things like that because I don’t want to look super swole. It’s not where I want to look small. Um, like, right before the Emmys, I knew I was wearing, like, this mermaid dress, which means it, like, hugs your sides. And I really didn’t want that thing that people are talking about all the time now, which is called hip dip. So instead of having like that curved figure, you have, like these really big thighs. Um, and I was really stressed about that for, like a month. And then I realized that it’s literally just people picking body parts apart, and they’re gonna do it on anybody. And I also realized that one workout is not going to change me. And I also realized that, like, I’m gonna have to eat 1000 more calories a day to become like, huge. And I’m not doing that. So, you know, I think there’s a lot of people that are just making excuses because they’re afraid, period. Fear. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. If you can see if you’re not on the radio, you could see these arms. Do not look swollen crazy. These arms. Not masculine-looking arms.
Drew
She’s long and lean
Shanti
still long and this is
Drew
the long I lean so I just want a highlight, I But I just want to brag about you a little bit. But like so you have been nominated for,
Shanti
I was nominated for an Emmy 2019 for lead actress for the TV show Bronx SIU
Drew
Find it on Amazon Prime
Shanti
Amazon prime. Exactly. We’ve got two seasons to stream on Amazon Prime. And again it’s the Bronx like the city and then S I U for Special Investigations unit. I played a very disturbed detective s. Oh, that’s kind of that’s very rated R. That’s not for families. And I actually just recently won the Hap Awards Best lead actress Universal. They do lead actress from Africa, from Britain, and from America. And then they do a universal best actress for TV because it streams and I won that, and it was Honestly, it was the most incredible moment that I never knew. I was looking for in my life to think about how much it means that people see my work in Africa like that. I don’t I didn’t as I said, I didn’t know how much that would mean to me to win that. Yeah. Um, but yeah, it’s Ah, it’s been a very humbling year.

Drew
Congratulations.
It’s awesome. It’s been really kind of. It’s been fun to be able to, one as a friend watch. You get to experience all that and to be like things that us laity, the normal people, the normal folk, the commoners. Commoners, yes, we get to watch you over there in your red carpet, But so but yeah, it’s I’m so happy. Get to watch you experience all that and all of your success And, um so, yeah, so problem.

Shanti
Thank you. And thanks for making such a wonderful gym that I can pop into and out of whenever I want. It’s ah, it’s been a wonderful grounding home for me.

Drew
Our pleasure. So where can they find you working? The people’s

Shanti
the people’s. Okay, So come join my village. I love my village on social media were pretty close. We’re honest with each other. It’s ah, it’s a good family. It’s Shanti. Lowry S H A N T I  L O W R Y all lowercase, but mostly Instagram talk to me their cause. I’ll talk back.
Drew
Cool. Well, thank you so much for being on the show. Um, and, uh, yeah, I had a lot of fun.
Shanti
Thank you. I did too.